As you may have noticed, and as some of you have noted, we have been infested with our biennial cicada-cycle of chirping anonymice. Happens every election cycle. They object to this blurgh's, hum, je ne fais pas. Watchwords: utopian, purity. The arguments are fairly meager; you don't have to believe, but damnit, the High Holy Days only come around every so often. It would make your mother happy.
I guess it's a mark of either delusion or desperation, depending on who's up over whom in the cycle, that the thousand-odd, geographically dispersed regulars of this tiny corner of the internet should merit the attention of the sheepdog brigade. When I tell people in reallife that I don't vote, they either don't care, or they confess with the glee of a couple of secretaries sneaking off with an extra pair of cupcakes after a staff meeting that they don't either. If only because indolence is one of the most universal human traits, I find myself, in this regard, in the majority! It is an odd feeling, actually, and I sometimes wonder if I oughtn't start voting again just to maintain my status as an outsider.
Wednesday, October 27, 2010
Race? Publica.
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It is indeed a mystery why Donkle true believers keep showing up here to hand out tracts and offer morally improving commentary. Not sure who they think they're preaching to. Interesting that Elefunk true believers (or Elefunk believers of any stripe) do NOT show up here trying to recruit for The Cause.
Sent a few bucks to the Green guy supposedly running for the US Senate here (he's a Pittsburgher!). Got my check returned with a note advising the campaign had to close up shop under threat of a megagazillion-dollar lawsuit by Sestak's people. Quite inspirational, really. Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling.
There is a billboard on one of the native american reservations up here that says, "We vote to honor our ancestors."
Umm, I'm pretty sure your ancestors got fucked in nearly every dealing with the state. Why would you want to participate in that?
still the minority up in these parts.
Biennial? This merry caucus race never ends.
Most years I would agree, but "Thirteen" from House personally begged me to vote this time, and I think she's kind of into me.
Part of the progressive memeplex is the idea that their religion is not mere unsupported belief, i.e. Faith. No: it is science! Reality based! Given that belief, incorrect though it is, they are authentically perplexed by people who seem educated and yet do not believe. The logical deduction is that they only need to present a few facts, make a few arguments, maybe call a few names and we'll run back to the fold. Sheepdogs, quite.
True, truer and truest.
One notion I can't seem to beat: If the goal is to get us motivated to vote in the REALLY REALLY MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER!!!!!!!!!! than why is/are the Political Coverage - both national and local - as well as the teevee and radio spots so heinous/hideous?
I ask you, the listening audience.
Oh, wait a minute.
re the ads: i'm with stillnotking. Thirteen almost convinced me.
Don't blame me; I voted for Kodos.
Simeon Weisz. Always vote for Simeon Weisz, if you must color in the dots.
Jack Crow,
You forgot Dead Gus Hall. And Poland.
Oh yeah? Well, you won't be laughing when Christine O'Donnell burns your science books and forces you to wear spiked gloves.
race pubica?
Monsieur, you may in fact prefer this alternative to voting, via monochrom in vienna: scrotum contra vota
http://monochrom.at/s-g-v/index-en.html
Sorry I can't participate, exactly, not possessing the right equipment.
Well I think it's important to vote. I live in Chicago and damn it, my votes for Illinois comptroller and county assessor are meaningful. Also voted for the Green dude running for Senate. I'm hoping that he gets enough of the vote to throw the seat, and with it the Senate, to the Rethuglicans, just so I can crow to Donks that they can't take my kind for granted.
"Voting matters, dammit. It just does."
-Dennis Dimbot
"When you refuse to vote, you hand the election to the Evil Rethuglicans. And you know what that means. ANARCHY!"
-Louise Liberal
"You purists will never be happy until we're all fighting each other and blood flows down every street and avenue. You're sociopaths."
-Pete Progressive
sigh.
A guy I went to high school with is pimping the 13 thing on FB all over the place cuz I guess he helped make it or some shit. I had a really fun time making fun of him in the comments.
Anyway, IOZ, don't worry. Just tell people your abstention is ironic. That's how you get away with being mainstream.
Voting is so hipster.
I don't get it. Can't a vote and be fed up with the system in general?
Every time an election comes around I can find at least one candidate running for office at *some level* that seems worth voting for. I spend less time voting than I do in line at the grocery store, probably less time than some people might take to write a blog entry. Once a year. It's really not too much of a hassle.
I have heard plenty of people exclaim that they don't vote. I have never heard a good argument about why it's *important* not to vote. In fact, many stances against voting seem to be dressed up versions of "I know something you don't know." Unless you are trying to convince someone else not to vote, who cares if you don't? There is absolutely nothing special about not voting.
Well, I spend less time voting than I do in line at the grocery store, too. But I don't plan on eating my ballot.
I'm not sure who you're identifying at this site who believes it's important not to vote. That's a bit like saying someone is guilty of passionate apathy.
But Ralph Nader!
LACP
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But isn't Inky this there blog's resident scribbler of GOPster screeds?
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Capt'n Obvious
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I'm not sure who you're identifying at this site who believes it's important not to vote. - LACP
That would be me.
Capt'n Obvious
"It is an odd feeling, actually, and I sometimes wonder if I oughtn't start voting again just to maintain my status as an outsider."
This is a major part of why I vote. It's not a lifestyle-choice that comes easily to everyone.
There is absolutely nothing special about not voting.
and you sound real enthused about voting. lol
the trouble is, I reject the system itself, even though there is not a thing to do about it. look at me and my rejecting here on the internet. BLAWG! voting is not going to expedite the fall of the American empire, so why should I bother? I mean, if you promise me that electing Sarah Palin will lead to the immediate and irrecoverable rise of the fires of hades or whatever, and thus the irreversible downfall and exit of this nation from the planet, then hell yeah: where do I go for that?
where is my Ctuhlhu platform? CATER TO ME DAMNIT Ctuhlhu at *some level* seems worth voting for, to me.
Well you're especially dogmatic on the question of voting, so it hardly seems mysterious why people would feel inspired to object during this particular season. Your other monomanias ("statism," Yglesias's neck beard, etc.) have less populist appeal.
As for the number of anonymous commenters, I don't think it's any greater than usual, we just seem to be willing to go back and forth for longer. It's the equivalent of rubbernecking at a car crash.
"I'm not sure who you're identifying at this site who believes it's important not to vote. That's a bit like saying someone is guilty of passionate apathy."
Guilty of self-congratulatory apathy is more like it. Apathy just doesn't seem like something I'd bother proclaiming when there are more productive things to do with my time. It seems as though whenever election time rolls around I encounter people who want to remind me that they aren't voting. If they are so apathetic, why do they take the time to let me know?
Fundy:
"voting is not going to expedite the fall of the American empire, so why should I bother?"
and you sound real enthused about the fall of the American empire. lolol
If they are so apathetic, why do they take the time to let me know?
PEOPLE DEVOTE (HEY WAIT A MINNIT) ENTIRE BLOGS TO IT, EVEN. WHAT COULD IT MEAN?
did IOZ send you this link, or?
I've never seen an *entire* blog devoted to that specific subject, but I'd love to check it out and see if I can take away anything substantial. Link?
Hey Bee,
I don't vote because there is ample evidence that everyone on the ballots available to me have or will continue to spend your tax money on mass murder, and, short of a Fred Flintstone write-in, I cannot it good conscience endorse your tax money being spent that way. Consider me the better part of your conscience.
On a lighter note: The belief that there is always someone worth voting for is American-Exceptionalism defined.
I guess my ballot has more options?
welcome, dunce, to the BLAWG where voting is frowned upon. welcome.
*Emoticon*
In that case I recommend 'all of the above'. Hedge your bets.
Your other monomanias
BING!
FORGIVE ME MY MONOMANIAS
whose fuckin blog is this, anyway.
As a Californian, I'm voting for the pot. With an absentee ballot I figure it's worth the 20 seconds of effort.
seriously, I would vote for a Death to America ballot. why won't you fuckers take me seriously.
"seriously, I would vote for a Death to America ballot. why won't you fuckers take me seriously."
Because then, as good ballot casting citizens, we'd have to turn you over to the authoritahs.
I mean, sheesh, how many monomanias can one man have? Serious question.
so, why shouldn't there be a "Disband and Dismember the Nation" Party? or a "Can't You Think Of Anything Better To Do?" Party where we sit around shooting down ballots and ideas and legislation that people try to get passed.
Party where we sit around shooting down ballots and ideas and legislation that people try to get passed.
Wait. Isn't that what Congress does?
That and schedule mass murders?
How about a Ain' Nuttin' but a Pawty, Y'all Party, with which we end up trying to flush a rock to big too flush?
too big to flush
Here in NY we have the The Rent Is Too Damn High Party.
Bee, are you paying attention to what the Dude says?
http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2010/10/pawliticks.html
Wait. Isn't that what Congress does?
Try as they might, and then they pass it anyway.
Not voting is passive-aggressive anti-social behavior, on a small but nonetheless significant scale. It's like leaving one's beer cans and extinguished cigarette butts on the forest floor, or tossing one's outdated but serviceable clothing in the trash instead of taking them to Goodwill.
THANK YOU INKY WE LOVE YOU BRO.
Jesus, it really is a religion with these people, isn't it? "Passive-aggressively anti-social"? Are you fucking serious?
I was going to say that it's like not waiting around for God to show up (if I just keep voting! gawd, I'd vote over and over and over again if I could), but yeah, Inky's on the right path. `shit's going to be digested by forces outside of one's control anyhow. Inky the wallflower kinda wants the mosh pit pushed away from him. lol. the snob
if voting is so important why can't i vote more than once? you'd think the more votes, the better. I voted 1500 times! oh yeah, I took off work and voted for 3 hours! 5500 times!
"Bee, are you paying attention to what the Dude says?"
I caught that one, yep
If you didn't care about voting or politics, this would probably be a blog about the Pittsburgh club scene, or pix of your dog. But you do, so it isn't. Now then - one doesn't have to read long to find a recurring theme here, involving the utter, irredeemably vile nature of the modern nation-state, with repeated commentary on how stupid and/or immoral one must be to participate in any political acts (or, really, to do anything other than impotently wish upon a star that the whole thing collapses soon). So far, so good.
Apparently, though, if anyone decides to reply with anything but "Megadittoes!", they're proselytizing and obsessed with making us join their crusade and, like, what's up with that, man.
Allow me to reprint what one brilliant pseudo-Frenchman sarcastically noted recently: "It's really weird to see people engaged in conversation and argument on these contemporary forums for conversation and argument." Yep. So weird to have people actually respond to the things you say, isn't it?
It's almost like this is just a defensive reaction to being told how full of shit you are.
I vote by not voting. Why is that so hard to fathom. I refuse to provide support to members of our ruling duo-mono-poly. They and their incessant overclass-funded TV ads can all go fuck themselves.
That said, I do vote in favor of tax increases, library bonds, and ballot measures.
Just no actual people from the D or R branded babysitting efforts, or the various joke fringe parties, who legitimize this hopeless farce by participating in it.
if they made voting for dog catcher & the creationist school board a holiday, yeah, i might vote. other than that, fuck it. society already tells me how important voting is by not giving me one damn micro-second off to do it.
so ya'll make sure you save up some time off from work now, ya hear? b/c it's so damn important....
I do believe in fairies!
I do believe in fairies!
I find that my star-wishing impotence can be cured by ingesting the ground up proboscis of elephants and genital organs of donkeys.
One snort of that shit and - SPROING! - I'm tumescent.
MEGADITTOES!
we're still waiting around though for someone to come along with a point that's better than Monsieur's. . .so until then, well, fugoff!
WASHINGTON -- As Democrats fear a wave of losses in next Tuesday's elections, due in part to a lack of enthusiasm within their base, one progressive champion made an impassioned plea for liberals to head to the polls and and vote.
"We can get out there and make our voices heard, or we can let the forces of nihilism take over," Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) told Raw Story in an exclusive interview late Tuesday afternoon.
The Cleveland Democrat warned progressives that a Republican takeover of the House of Representatives – a likely scenario, according to election experts – could surrender the levers of power to "megalomaniacal neoconservatives who are more in need of mental attention."
"There's no question about it," he said. "We have to vote."
Kucinich, a seven-term congressman who seems to be in no danger, sympathized with liberals who are disenchanted with the Democratic Party, but insisted they must "work within the system" to achieve the results they want, arguing that tuning out wasn't a better solution.
Damn it, Pantload - only Simeon Weisz can destroy America™ fast enough.
Well, I was feeling really abused for registering and voting for the first time last time, and was determined to return to the silent majority starting the very next opportunity. Then the greater of two evils went off the deep end. So now I've determined the folks who need to hear my protest the most are the ones who can only hope I don't vote, because if I do it will be for the other guy. So Republican Tea Party, I'll be voting after all, the liberal/progressive ticket (and for prop 19), not because I think highly of them, but because you've somehow managed to drive my distaste for you to brand new depths.
Stillnotking---
What I said conjures "religion" for you? What are you, a purse-snatcher or a video-preview booth cleaner?
"These people" are your fellow Americans.
Well, if a representative of the system like Dennis Kucinich said we need to work within the system, then obviously...nuttin.
Zing!
These people are nihilists, mp.
I still wear my outdated, yet still serviceable, clothes. Hell, I even wear my outdated and unserviceable clothes. Still rocking late 1990s early 2000s fashion here.
And I plan to vote yes on pot. Just when I think I am out, they pull me back in...
Justin---
Touche. I do too. I should have said "unwanted but serviceable" clothes.
There is a place for you with the Bong Grabbin' Republicans.
I vote, but I'm hardly proud of it.
I'll vote on the ballot measures, since they actually have a measurable effect on my little town's functioning. But voting for Democrats even though you know they won't do anything different just because...they at least pretend to like you and care about your problems, unlike that other party, who's totally mean? Congratulations, you've just figured out What's the Matter with Kansas. It's the same damn thing that's the matter with the rest of us.
A vote for ballot measures is a vote for killer robots.
votetards, even counting your vote accurately means sooooooo much (just like in iraq), that's why Diebold is in charge! democracy rox!
Hehe stillnotking wins. Nous suis un autre, bitchz.
What is fun about Yaws is that he understands Limbaugh's trick. It rarely if ever varies and yet the Digbistas always go for the football. The recipe is, pretend you don't understand the difference between an analytical observation and a normative one. Someone says, "Bin Laden is pissed at our foreign policy," he says, "You think killing Americans is okay!" Ergo, "You are not an American!"
This is a really good way to tease someone and make them look like a floppy sad-sack. So it's good for entertainment, jerking off, and propaganda. It's not a very good way to have an actual discussion, of issues, and stuff.
I guess the joke of jokes is that so many people mistake Yaws as a connoisseur of fine debate. He just wants to cum in your face, yo!
"I'll be voting after all, the liberal/progressive ticket (and for prop 19), not because I think highly of them, but because you've somehow managed to drive my distaste for you to brand new depths."
Oh yeah, that's a good reason.
"we're still waiting around though for someone to come along with a point that's better than Monsieur's"
Awwwwwwwwwwwww, that's cute.
But seriously, no you're not.
Nutella and assorted nonies: "I can't believe so many regular readers of this blog generally agree with the worldview put forth therein."
I can't believe it's not I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.
It is not so much that we object to choosing the lesser of two evils, obviously, but that we propose you are choosing the same evil.
we propose you are choosing the same evil.
Translation: I just want to cum in your face, yo! Quit squirming!
Where is the megadittoing? IOZ says voting is for doodooheads. Some people agree with him, some disagree, some send money to Greens, some get pissy because they think that saying voting is for doodooheads is like setting forest fires. Marketplace of ideas, yo.
Hey votetards, give you reasons? Why should I? How bout this, this goes for Blue, Green, and Red ... You bring your little empty suit candidates you got such a pink little chubby for and we have ourselves a little auction. My Vote on the table right here, right now. The starting bid is $10,000. I'm not greedy, just wanna see how really important this is to you guys. Whadya say?
Going once ...
Going twice ...
Well, I was feeling really abused for registering and voting for the first time last time, and was determined to return to the silent majority starting the very next opportunity. Then the greater of two evils went off the deep end.
Trans: "Then I got distracted from what the lesser of two evils was doing..."
Edward, as a first time voter, you were abused. What about now?
Mike Ryerson is one of the most decent human beings I've ever encountered in vivo or in silico.
How you can vilify him like that is beyond me.
Did you think we wouldn't know at whom the finger was pointed?
Did you think we wouldn't grok how much you love playing O'Brien to his Winston?
Underneath the chestnut tree,
I sold you and you sold me ...
Actually, Bee @2:18, IOZ is sounding more and more like Mencius Moldbug lately, who has devised a very good argument for not voting:
As a dramatic act of catharsis and termination, American democracy can only be properly decommissioned by the American voter himself. As a democratic citizen, to give up on democratic politics is to say: I relinquish my powers, I resign from office, I surrender my thinly-sliced marshal's baton. I reject this system of government, which has failed. I will no longer serve as its part-time officer. Therefore, I will abstain from voting, until I can vote for a complete transition of authority.
This act of sovereign resignation, however thinly sliced or even entirely forged, is a noble act. It is not at all an act of submission - ie, to the Emperor. Rather, [it] is an act of both dominance and self-denial.
True Election at "Unqualified Reservations"
I think it was Joe Sobran who came up with a fun thought experiment for the GOTVers a few years ago: if you could give up your right to vote in return for never paying taxes again, what would you do?
I vote regularly because my votes are harmless - the last time I voted for anybody who actually won anything was in a class election in junior high. Shit, here in Pennsylvania they usually don't even record write-in votes, even though the state supreme court issued a ruling over a hundred years ago requiring them to do so.
Still can't figure out why people trek to this site trying to make the regulars have a come-to-Obama moment, when there's a demonstrated lack of interest. And then to get shirty about it when they're told to go piss up a rope.
I'm staying. Finishing my coffee.
What is fun about Yaws is that he understands Limbaugh's trick. It rarely if ever varies and yet the Digbistas always go for the football. The recipe is, pretend you don't understand the difference between an analytical observation and a normative one. Someone says, "Bin Laden is pissed at our foreign policy," he says, "You think killing Americans is okay!" Ergo, "You are not an American!"
in Progressive, that equates to "a reasonable, reasoned, humble, humanitarian, multilateral approach to foreign intervention. let's not be the belligerent Americans on the international block." haha-but you still bomb the fuck out of people!
gee, politics takes single examples, data sets, or anecdotal evidence, and extrapolates entire systems and movements from them, rendering hard evidence and observation as normative values.
maybe eating cum makes you fucking retarded.
"maybe eating cum makes you fucking retarded."
I'm guessing that's your problem. at any rate the previous two paragraphs don't make much sense.
Aug,
You're selling yourself short. $50k minimum starting bid.
hipsters are, at their core, cultural trolls. so of course IOZ is a hipster. though as a resident defeatist in these parts, I'd point out that irony also doesn't work. it is kinda fun though.
No,
10k in bills of 20.
No funny bags.
Capt'n Obvious
It's once again time to vote for either A) the guy who will barge into a kindergarten with a blowtorch or B) the guy who will parachute into a hospital with a chainsaw! If you don't vote, you can't bitch about the results!
mp: I am not shocked that they agree with the blogger. I just chuckle at the thought of them considering other opinions.
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