On a more serious note, the increasingly frantic and increasingly frequent appearances by pro-vote, pro-participation, and even pro-Democratic commenters on this particular blog as The Most Important Elections in the History of Ever approach are telling. Although their shared and often repeated line is that blogging is a do-nothing exercise, they in fact perceive it as just the opposite: a political act. And more to the point, they see the jokes and arguments, criticisms and agreements between one writer and another through the lens of the political coalition. Two writers who largely agree are "allies" in this estimation; they are "on the same side." And since the political stakes are high, as they say on CNN, since a decisive moment in the national Choose-Your-Own-Adventure narrative is now upon us, these commenters desire a deliberate diminution of what they believe to be internecine squabbling in order to shore up the factional lines. It is one thing to criticize supposedly antiwar liberals when the Democratic party holds majorities and all, but now that the tea-party Putsch is underway, it is irresponsible not to bury the various hatchets and present a unified façade of . . . Well. At this point the argument becomes even weaker, doesn't it? Present a unified face to whom, and to what end?
The question of why one might criticize a person with whom he shares affinities only makes sense if you percieve yourselves to be engaged in a collective activity, in particular a collective political activity. Why would you criticize another writer who also criticizes America's wars? is the plaintive question. The obvious answer is: because I believe that other writer's (let's call him Len Blueballs)--that I believe Len Blueballs' critique to be incorrect. I do not imagine that we are engaged in some sort of meaningful antiwar action, although I suspect he does. In fact, it is this suspicion which informs the large part of my criticism. I myself do not "oppose" the occupation of foreign nations by the United States because I imagine that opposition will hasten the end to these occupations; nor do I imagine that if I add my oppositional voice to others, it will hasten that end. (I certainly don't believe that voting for a Democratic congresscreature will do it.) I don't write in order to participate in some political movement, less yet in order to foment some new one. I am not on anyone's side.
Regarding the question of voting, I do not vote for the same reason that I do not pray five times a day facing toward Mecca. I do not believe in representative democracy. I think it is a fiction. That is not to say that I don't believe Americans exist anymore than calling Allah imaginery means I do not believe that Muslims exist; I believe in voting booths just as much as I believe in mosques. It is not the existence of the ritualized act that I call unreal; it is the deity at the other end of the prayer line.
Thursday, October 28, 2010
Insh'All'In
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great post title.
"All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth." -Neech
They only get all punchy kicky because THEY LOVE YOU SO MUCH.
Please don't leave me, baby.
OK, so you refuse to help present a unified face. How about a unified ass?
Yes, thank you. Around election time, this is one of the few blogs I can stand to read.
Best in while.
"The question of why one might criticize a person with whom he shares affinities only makes sense if you percieve yourselves to be engaged in a collective activity, in particular a collective political activity"
Hey, no 'all is vanity' tag?
"...pro-vote, pro-participation, and even pro-Democratic commenters..."
Aren't they all the same people? I mean, some of them may say they don't care who you vote for as long as you vote, but as soon as you tell them you're writing in the Green Furry National Socialist Freedom Party candidate, they're all don't-waste-your-vote-in-the-most-importantest-election-ever-in-the-history-of-ever-only-the-Democrats-bad-as-they-are-can-save-us-blah-fucking-blah-blah-blah.
Oh, I just knew you were too smart to vote. just knew it.
Of course, the Donk faithful probably think you just need a refresher course in how to long for the sea.
I do not believe in representative democracy. I think it is a fiction.
You may not believe in representative democracy, but representative democracy believes in you.
You may not believe in God, but God believes in you.
You may not believe in Allah, but . . . etc.
Oh, I wanted to add that I really love the recent posts equating voting to religion, particularly the "you don't have to believe but it will make your mom happy" parallel. I have had that exact argument used on me more times than I can count - the comparison is totally apropos.
the only reason I vote is because I'd get locked out of the house otherwise. lol
I don't think I'll be forced into voting during the mid term, whenever that is, though I'll probably find out whether I'm voting the day of.
lulz, Fundy. I think I am in the same boat if I catch your drift.
Not 100% on topic, monsieur, but are you going to be putting up any special posts to honor the 10th anniversary of Thanksralph Day?
you got it. fuck all ya`ll, I need peace at home. LOL
I'm not voting Democrat this year, but I want to emphasize that if one is unhappy with the dominant two parties, a person can always vote for someone else. Perhaps there are candidates out there running for president/congress/mayor/borough president/etc who don't fall into a "lesser evil" category. Just like you, IOZ, find other bloggers on the net who you can quibble but essentially agree with, there are well-meaning, intelligent citizens out there who are choosing to engage in our political system. If they don't agree with your views on government, they most certainly have similar issues with the way people are suffering, here and abroad, under U.S. policies.
Blogging about not voting sends a message, I suppose. I think that voting can send a message as well. Just as some of us can't all be president, some of us don't necessity can't pull off a political blog that will reach a significant amount of people. Over the years I have mostly voted Democrat and am fed up, the most effective message I feel I can send is to vote for someone else as long as I feel the person has good intentions. It doesn't consume a not of time or energy and it says to the Democrats that they fucked up. They said one thing and they did another. They stood behind certain values but then didn't follow through. If I don't vote, they have no idea why not. Perhaps they think I'm apathetic and they'll try harder to get me out to the polls. They need to know why they aren't getting my vote. They need to see that I voted for Nader, or whatever candidate seems to stand firmly behind principals I can respect in both voice and action...even if they don't align perfectly with my laundry list of pet issues.
Maybe it's a lost cause or, at the positive end of the spectrum, a long-shot. But it's so easy to do. I don't even need to pay attention to anything that's going on up until the weekend before an election. The weekend of, I can spend some time--time that I would normally spend reading, taking my kid to the park, blogging about Motorhead, watching porn, etc--and instead read up on various races I can vote on, review the candidates, and make some decisions.
Plus, I get to put off cleaning the bathroom in order to put some headphones on, go for a walk, and send a clear message to the party that let me down. Or simply to support someone who is "fighting the good fight" so-to-speak, even if their political ambitions are futile.
I was hanging with a friend who, along with her husband, considers herself (and the family, i guess) anarchists. I asked her why she wasn't planning to vote. Her answer was that politicians are scum. My response was, "really? all of them? How do you know that?"
Until someone can answer that question, I see no reason to take a little time out every once in a while to buy a political lottery ticket.
BTW, you'll have to excuse the typos...I'm too swamped to treat this like a term paper, but they are annoying.
Ryerson---
Looks like we're back to intelligence tests for voting after all...
Especially this one:
Until someone can answer that question, I see no reason NOT to take a little time out every once in a while to buy a political lottery ticket.
Especially this one:
Until someone can answer that question, I see no reason NOT to take a little time out every once in a while to buy a political lottery ticket.
Fundy is a slave to the poonanny. How disappointing.
PITTSBUGH (AP) - Seven write in votes for dead commie gus hall sent a clear message to the party that it let them down. A contrite party promised to do better next time. But it can't do it without your vote.
Whatsitallmean, Mr. Natural?
Hey, it means shit to me.
So Mr. Smartypants, riddle me this: are censuses also the same as an average namaz? Does proportional allocation of Federal tax revenue really just not happen? Or do you believe in the census fairy, but not the voting fairy?
Somewhere in a pixel forest a girl named Sunshine is standing in a clear cut swath, weeping.
I believe in the zoning fairy and the school board fairy. Above that, we are in the realm of pure metaphysical supposition vis-a-vis the consequences of voting.
If you want to feel like you did something useful on election day, go find a coffee shop and hold the door for someone whose hands are full.
All that, plus Senor Ioz was actually offering Hedges a correction, a way to improve his product.
Of course, inside the (D) branding operation, nobody -- nowadays not even quadrennial Dimbot Conventioneers -- absolutely nobody is to raise a question of improving the product. That shit's for traitors like Jesse Jackson and Lucifer Nader.
As for choosing sides, seriously Joe Biden, could that get any easier than actual Dim Congressbots and Hope Harvesters have made it? Here's, dude, is what my local Congre-Dim repeats 72 times a night on its version of the D-brand 30-second televisual message injection:
“I’m David Wu, and I’m working in Congress so people with good ideas can grow and expand their businesses. That’s why the tax breaks I passed help entrepreneurs create high tech jobs.”
That's somebody's side, alright...Seems to me this Wu-Dem-Bot "leader" names the names right there -- and not once but twice.
I vote because I love sending messages. Last time I voted to send a message to my aunt that the world is not a perfect place and that she needs to take responsibility for her life. The time before that I voted to send a message to the Democrats that they're really poopy and I'm disappointed in them. I don't know, something must be wrong because I've never received a response to either message.
@stillnotking
But-- wait a minute. Any population level phenomenon is ultimately a problem for metaphysical speculation. How do we split up the one and the many? Does the death of one member of a large breeding population have any impact on species level characteristics?
Your idea that the voting fairy can't sprinkle representation dust on any population larger than a school district is as arbitrary as the creationist theory that the human eye can't possibly have evolved in tiny increments. Individual events affect population level characteristics, it's just that in larger, more complex systems it takes longer to see the outcome.
So much for the metaphysical issue. My point though was that there is a pragmatic matter which Yaws studiously avoids. Regardless of whether a given vote leads to "representation," or "meaning" for any individual voter or vote, the votes are tallied, and there is a consequential outcome. There is a population count. It is more or less accurate. Different individuals are given control over tax revenues depending on how those who participate in the ritual have classified themselves. They in turn make different allocation decisions on some things.
It is obvious that major affairs of state do not vary with elections to national administration. But that's not the same as saying that voting has the same practical impact as reciting the fatihah.
Whoa! I hope you're happy, you just blew my mind!
I enjoyed this post. Also, I'd like to direct La Rana to my comment several posts below, amongst 146 others, as La Rana's the only one who gets the Rwanda bit, and I enjoyed my wit. Thank you for the space on your comments page.
- COT
I don't mind voting booths, but I seem to feel a lot better when they're not around.
Pukowski
This is how the world ends, this is how the world ends, this is how the world ends . . . not with a bang, but with different allocation decisions on some things.
My point exactly!
Just because one doesn't breed oneself shouldn't make it impossible to entertain the possibility that Darwin was right.
A Dem-door-knocker approached my abode yesterday.
DDK -- "What are your voting plans?"
Me -- "I'll be leaving the date open"
DDK -- "Could I give you some literature to encourage a change of mind"
Me -- "Do you have any Michel Houellebecq?"
And it tapered off from there.
COT - I've been baking since dawn! Its sadder than being outhustled by PK.
That last paragraph makes me almost wish I had wasted my time learning how to write instead of wasting my time in engineering school.
That 'almost', really, is only thanks to my having made some money for a while. Gimme another year unemployed, and I'll re-visit the qualifier.
What are there like, two half-wits encouraging you to think about voting? Eh, I'm unimpressed.
"Different individuals are given control over tax revenues depending on how those who participate in the ritual have classified themselves. They in turn make different allocation decisions on some things"
-Not4Nussing
Wow. Are you as amazed as I that those "different individuals" all seem to be closely affiliated with the FIRE sector and the "defense" racket? My suspicion is that their participation in the ritual, as you put it, has precious little to do with pulling a lever or punching a chad on election night.
Man, you guys are totally witless. Okay, I've got ballot boxes to stuff and brown people to blow up.
Since you've been subtly advocating voting for the Rent is too Damn High you obviously advocate voting.... And since we're on the same page...why not advocate voting Democrat, where the vote won't be wasted?
Jus say'in...
First of all dude, you dont have an ex.
"Man, you guys are totally witless. Okay, I've got ballot boxes to stuff and brown people to blow up."
-Not4Nussing
Witless is as witless does, but by all means don't let me dissuade you. Vote for Change You Can Believe In™ and let us know how that turns out, Ok?
"why not advocate voting Democrat, where the vote won't be wasted?"
that was really good, man! you almost got me going! well played!
I've got go with Alex Cockburn here. How is this election more important than any of the Cold War elections involving imminent potential nuclear war?
I mean, I didn't even know there was an election going on. Didn't we already anoint Obama and some shit?
Is it too late to get a movement going to hold up the voting process by full-on, pants-down masturbating in the booth?
usually I get smacked when I suggest that voting should be made illegal. just look at all the fools that get to vote!
but, um, yeah: MY WIFE IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE!
yeah it's a holiday for a hanging
"...politicians are scum. My response was, "really? all of them? How do you know that?"
- Bee
Yes all of them. I have no desire to control anyone else, why should I respect anyone who wishes to control me?
I mean if you WANT the job, you are probably not suited for it. It's a mental defect, really. Narcissism and power lust cloaked with "for the children" and "what we need are jobs!" and "there ought to be a law".
Mr. Fun
You are excused. But should try harder to help your old lady see the light.
The others who vote. Shame on you, gentlemen!
Shame on you!
Capt'n Obvious
no. Mr Fun is very much on the hook. ever heard of lying, dude? slip out to the bar instead of the polling place. or just say no. something. bring up charges if this goes on. domestic voter intimidation.
fucker
voter
lol
In my state, a volunteer stands at the exit and hands out a red, white and blue "I Voted" sticker to everyone who's bleated their assent in the booth. Maybe Mr. Fun's wife makes him show his sticker when he comes home?
Fun just needs to consult the grass or trashcans around the voting places. There should be plenty of discarded cover for him there.
I'm still way too Catholic, and the whole empire thing is still too abstract. it's one vote people. sheesh. I ride a bicycle 330 days of the year, 250+ to and from work, and we belong to a local CSA, and live in a 130 year old row home. voting to keep my home a sane place is an easy choice. ritual? it's also a tokenism. and anyway, the cats are there to console me when I get home. UNLIKE YOU FUCKERS
Mr. Fun,
Also too in addition you already know that Gus Hall ain't gonna win, so there's no harm in voting for him.
Geez, Fun, I feed you a straight line like "show his sticker," and that's what you do with it? Get your mind into the gutter, man. Fuckin' anarchists.
maybe I'll just get it tattooed on my forehead.
We all know that lucre-manic Thanatocrats who can pronounce "nuclear" correctly are preferable to the other kind... so get the hell out there and exercise the illusion of choice!
pistoffnick-
You may be right.
maybe ya'll would sign a petition that I could bring to my wife. . .
You and Meg Whitman. Hey, Do they have early voting in Penn? Vote for the teabagger Ioz. He's anti-government.
pussywhipped anarchists on schwinns. now i've seen it all.
you think that's a SCHWINN?!
The one time I went to vote (I know, I know) they had doughnuts in a box and coffee on a ledge between the Diebold machines and the exit, like they were there for positive reinforcement. Hooray, I thought, maybe all isn't just vanity after all, I mean, free coffee and doughnuts, with napkins and styrofoam cups even! But when I opened the box an old lady yelled at me. "Those aren't for you," she said. And so they aren't.
So at what level of jurisdiction do you lose your iconoclasm license, if you **do** vote? I know that if I pull the lever for any federal ballot, I may as well be pissing napalm into Baghdad orphanages. But what if I vote in a county council race, or even for a state legislator -- does that make me some kind of accomplice? Please clarify.
-- sglover
deadgushall.com
"Since you've been subtly advocating voting for the Rent is too Damn High you obviously advocate voting.... And since we're on the same page...why not advocate voting Democrat, where the vote won't be wasted?"
yeah mr. anti-government, why don't you just vote for the party of the government and make your vote count. LOL
god i hope that quote is not someone's trolling sock puppet and an earnest individual.
stras is pwning souls in these comments sections lolol
u mad nihilistic hipsters?
u mad?
lmao
Nihilism
"Personally if I wanted pithy wit I'd read Oscar Wilde. To me, IOZ-style writing comes across as a vacuous poseur, more interested in finding an opportunity for snark than actually analyzing things. Perhaps it's because I prefer to read blog posts that are both intellectually and emotionally engaged. The subject matter of "Chomskyite" blogs is compelling on many levels and hearing it talked of in a don't-care manner tends to turn me off. I get this mental image of a young white college kid sneering at his buddies over some pretentious foreign beer, because he imagines he's in a contest where the person who cares least wins. I love political humor and satire so long as it's informed by an emotional sensibility about what's happening in the world. Yes, I know discussions in the blogosphere don't actually have an effect in the real world, but I think dead Iraqi children deserve at least our outrage, as a mark of respect, not just to be used as an opportunity to show off how clever we are."
What happens to gay nihilists when the stormtroopers come for them--well, if they're rich they can abscond with the jewels to exotic lands for high frolicking. If not, well, they're fucked in a not so satisfying way.
Condescending misanthropists like you will be the first slaughtered. But hey, we rubes will find another Ioz to dish lethal snark about that meaningless event too.
anon, 3:29. Pearls before swine, my friend, pearls before swine.
Mr. Fun,
I was readying a diatrobe against the shit eating, shit sniffing Papist leadership, and their commitment to comfort and knob polishment.
But, then, with flock like me, leaders like them.
May Jesus have mercy on us.
Capt'n Obvious
anon, 3:29. That settles it - I'm writing in IOZ for Guv on the Vacuous Poseur ticket on Tuesday, and I'm writing myself in on the Condescending Misanthropist tic for Senate. The scales have, literally Joe Biden, fallen from my eyes. What would all of us benighted souls who blawg all unaware at WII have done without the benefit of the stern reproofs that self-righteous pwoggle-doggles hark up?
Ryerson, this isn't a sock puppet of yours, by any chance?
nope.
Calmer than you.
"I do not believe in representative democracy. I think it is a fiction."
Does this presume you believe there is a "reality", or perhaps, it is belief itself that is the fiction?
I never could putt very well.
-the real Donny
Does this presume you believe there is a "reality"[?]
i asked Monsieur the same question once. he didn't bite.
LA Con-Pants--I'm anon at 3:29, and I'm also not voting but the tone here, that nothing is worth the effort, that the tragedy millions of Americans are facing, not to mention untold bombed innocents abroad, that none of this is worthy of more than snark, than any would-be organization, any effort towards a 3rd party, anything beyond the masturbatory self absorption that Ioz so potently reflects--well, I think you get my drift.
Some things are worth fighting for, even if it's not necessarily at the ballot box, and even if it's futile. Here's hoping, again, that you're all wealthy enough to flee when the time comes, or, as would be far more likely, you're keen on being Vichy bithces to the rightists running the show.
My God you're dumb.
Let me tell ya something, IOZ - I dig your work. Playing one side against the other, in bed with everybody - just fabulous stuff.
Wouldn't you say that masturbation, at least from a male perspective, carried out to its natural concluding event . . . wouldn't you say that it's the opposite of self-absorption, if ya know wudahmean?
IOZ,
Not if you run the film backwards...
anon 11:31 PM
I think you may be misunderstanderating the reaction to the American Empire and its various wars that you see on display here. Snark, yes, but you're inferring that what you see on this site is the only response that any of these good blawgers have to the outside world AT All. Nobody spends all day at the keyboard; for example, I actually go to an office five times a week and pretend to do something they pay me for. I do vote (I'm not sure whether for Dead Gus Hall or Dead Benito Mussolini this year - maybe both), I toss a few bucks (very few, I'm not that well-paid) to various causes that catch my eye, I've even done the demonstration thing. Is it possible to do more? Indeed; however, I would really prefer my first trip to Cuba to be all about sun, sand, and mojitos, not about having cattle prods stuck up my ass at Guantanomo. I'm sure you understand my hesitance.
Given the fucked-up system we live under, I must disagree with you and give full props to bored, disengaged aesthetes. They also serve who only snark and wait.
I guess my own personal objection is not to snarking and waiting, but to sycophancy and closed-mindedness. Maybe it's a trollish "entertainment" strategy, maybe it's genuine insecurity -- and I suspect a combination. At any rate there is a sophomoric tendency by the host and his commentariat to fly off the handle at anyone who tries to interrogate their beliefs. It's a shame, not least because the beliefs are not always coherent, and classifying anyone who challenges you as a donk, voter or what have you (seemingly inappropriate in a few cases) relieves the need to think more deeply.
We that have free souls, it touches us not: let the galled jade wince, our withers are unwrung.
Or "there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so"
But I prefer your quote by the Big H, the consummate practicioner of do-nothingism. Or another "bored, disengaged aesthete." Imagine if you all were less bored, or inconvenienced by events of the day, imagine if you were less reluctant to practice vengeance against your lords.
Agreed. And perhaps you are only as good as your chorus.
What quote? "The state is a divine idea?"
The Comedie of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark?
Too many anons. And I am pretty sure that I remember from my long-ago classical education that the quote is " 'tis nothing either good nor bad, but wanking makes it so."
That could be a false memory from my pwoggle days,though.
This befalleth when thou firk'st a stranger 'twixt the buttocks, Laurence! Understand'st thou? Dost thou attend me?
No time for any of this. Bowling Tuesday night---my team's in the leagues semifinals. Yeah, we'll talk politics too, but keep it meta-. First Dude, in thy orisons be all our sins remembered.....
"It's a shame, not least because the beliefs are not always coherent, and classifying anyone who challenges you as a donk, voter or what have you (seemingly inappropriate in a few cases) relieves the need to think more deeply."
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
"The Comedie of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark?"
Uh huh, vs. 2000 words on Bret Easton Ellis
Did a bunch of comments get deleted here, or did I just miss something?
Anyway, I can't seem to find it here, but one of the deleted comments was a commenter going on about how they didn't care about the voting/non-voting issue, and thought that obsessing about it was stupid, given everything else leftists have to concern themselves with, so I think it's pretty funny that that's been deleted so everyone can keep yammering at each other about whether or not they should bother to vote.
Precocious children, regardless of how entertaining they may be, are still children.
check another thread, Anonymous. i don't imagine comments have been deleted. adjust your tinfoil cap or something.
Vote or Die!
Vote and Die!
i'd love to vote; the real pickle of it is that none of them will explicitly deny that american lives are worth more than other lives. if a politician could do this, and could also say "we shouldn't drop bombs on people anymore," i'd vote for him or her. this person would almost certainly be lying, but honestly that's not why i'd vote anyway. just rewarding one kind gesture with another.
I voted today. Admittedly, a small thing but I've known that since I voted for Karla Bjorkland in the
6th grade. I guess some of us noticed earlier than others how small any individual vote is and how unlikely your vote is going to swing the whole shebang. But there you go. A small thing. Spent most of junior high school trying to convince everybody how sophisticated I was by not voting. Became known as a raconteur, sage and commentator on the body politic. Sat off in left field making snide comments about how valuable my time was. It wasn't really all that valuable. I noticed my asshole got bigger. I didn't connect the two things for many years. Elections got bigger too. Now my vote meant even less but shit in Berkeley you'd better goddam vote or forget about getting laid. And you'd better be ready to talk about it, and talk and talk and...ever notice how the frigging candidates seem beholden to some vested interest or another? You know, they don't only answer to the people. Ever notice that?? Shit we ought to do something about that. But it's hard cause they've got such a great head start and they've got all that frigging money. Makes it tough. I'm pretty sure some of you guys might have thought of some of these things before but you know if we're going to find our way out of this mess we've got to start somewheres. yeah, I voted today.
My condolences.
Capt'n Obvious
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