Tuesday, May 26, 2009

Mineshaft Gaps

One of the purer pleasures of the ongoing economic clusterfuck is the revivification of the old defense of Marxism (or Communism, or Socialism, or whatevers) against the abject failure of the Soviet Union to produce anything other than failure-prone nukes, gray concrete, and really cool graphic design: that Soviet Communism was not the real thing, that it was a debased and perverted form of whatever it was that Marx et al. imagined, and that Soviet failures proved nothing, nothing about the underlying validity of the system. In some respects I view this sort of apologia with sad sympathy. It is, after all, possible to imagine a planned economy that isn't so horribly, badly planned. I am in general wholly unsympathetic to the idea that economies are systems of such impossible mathematical complexity that the planned allocation of resources can never result in reasonable levels of general equality and prosperity, at least as compared to the pinnacles of Western capitalism. There are, to my mind, more compelling arguments against collectivist societies than the lousy state of the former Soviet auto industry. The defenders of so-called free markets are fond of noting greater productivity or more innovation in market societies, although both terms are notably ductile, and in any case this argument raises the uncomfortable specter of the correlation/causation fallacy, not to mention the even older question of the chicken and the egg. Also, despite the mumbojumbo of the hoodoo high priests of the Christian Science of scientific disciplines, economics, the means of exchange are not the most fundamental aspects of human societies, but are only one of a myriad features that collectively compose society and civilization.

Anyway, all across our grayscale spectrum, the defenders of capitalism now insist that what we are seeing isn't it. The Party cannot fail, it can only be failed.

16 comments:

Aaron said...

There is a more interesting version of that argument, though, isn't there? That the ongoing economic clusterfuck suggests Marx was right in his most of what he said about the dynamics of 'Capital' or 'Modernity,' or 'bourgeois state rule,' or 'Fred,' or whatever you want to call it. I think it would be a really positive development if Marx could be read in the same way as Weber or Tocqueville or Barbara Cartland without a whole bunch of Imperial/Party hacks shitting over the book first. I mean, carbuncles or no, the man had a head on his shoulders, even if his social program had a few holes.

lucid said...

Actually, Ioz, you should like Marx - he was an anarchist. Read Grundrisse. He makes it pretty clear that capitalism's ultimate end is the withering away of all traditional forms of social organization [family, religion, state] and once those bonds disintegrate, we we become self-conscious enough to then organize an egalitarian society [this of course also involves techonology conquering scarcity].

Think Mps said...

Nice finish.

Schizo said...

Uh, lucid, we're aware... we're also aware of how he treated Bakunin. While many of Marx's ideas were good, and he was obviously extraordinarily influential, personally the man was quite the authoritarian.

And I don't care how much you qualify what it "really" means, the dictatorship of the proletariat is just a shitty idea.

Aaron said...

The "vile red bureaucracy" is not dead enough. The blue seems to be juggling ETS projections.

stephen said...

"...this argument raises the uncomfortable specter of the correlation/causation fallacy, not to mention the even older question of the chicken and the egg."

Very true. And a very good point I don't think I have ever heard made before.

It should be said, however, that causation could exist, with a pretty good probability. And the chicken/egg problem could be trivial enough to be academic.

I am not making a strong argument for western capitalism, whatever the fuck that is exactly, just saying that there is at least has a case to be made for it.

s'all.

lucid said...

Schizo - I wan't suggesting otherwise... but many, many folks have completely mystified ideas about Marx, so I always chime in on such issues. I'm not a Marxist, though I think his analysis of capital is extraordinarily correct & the loosely teleological diaclectic appeals to my historicist sensibilities... My problem with Marx is actually, that he is a capitalist and assumes the same condition of infinite energy inputs into his history that most capitalist theorists assume... the authoritarian streak bugs me as well [particularly as it was amplified among those who followed him].

Anonymous said...

Do we have to equate high finance and Federal debt with capitalism? If corporatism and socialized risk are what define capitalism, then who needs it? But that not an indictment of the market, unless you've got some new reason to expect good results from the political process.

>There are, to my mind, more compelling arguments against collectivist societies than the lousy state of the former Soviet auto industry

More compelling? Perhaps, but its still a great argument. Who wants a lousy auto industry (besides Obama, apparently)?

IOZ said...

Do we have to equate inefficient industry and military over-investment with Communism? If territorial overreach and oppressive political oligarchy are what define Communism, then who needs it? But that's not an indictment of socialism, unless you've got some new reason to expect good results from the political process.

Anonymous said...

>Do we have to equate inefficient industry
yes
>and military over-investment
no?
>with Communism?

>If territorial overreach and oppressive political oligarchy are what define Communism, then who needs it?
here here

>But that's not an indictment of socialism, unless you've got some new reason to expect good results from the political process.

What is the distinction between socialism and the political process??

Anonymous said...

"But that's not an indictment of socialism, unless you've got some new reason to expect good results from the political process."

in a socialist state the economy is not separated from the political process

Phillip Allen said...

Anonymous, in no state is the economy separated from the political process. States exist in significant part to forward the economic priorities of those who rule. A case can be made that the primary function of the state is to oversee and facilitate the operations of the economy.

All of that aside, my first thought on seeing Chèr Maître's title for this post was a fond recollection of that palace of pig play that was New York City's Mineshaft. Indeed, there is a terrible Mineshaft gap, one that every city of even modest size can aspire to fill. Life would be better for us all, were this tragic lack to be corrected.

Christopher said...

The Party cannot fail, it can only be failed.This is also the Republican explanation for why Bush was such an unpopular fuckup. Not Republican enough.

What always seems to get left out of this kind of argument is why exactly nobody mentioned this stunning and obvious lack of purity before everything went to shit.

Somehow the fact that it's not really capitalism/communism/Republicanism/whatever is never realised until after a failure.

This lack of foresight seems like it might be relevant to preventing future disasters, but judging by how little it comes up, I guess not.

mds said...

Do we have to equate high finance and Federal debt with capitalism?

"Anyway, all across our grayscale spectrum, the defenders of capitalism now insist that what we are seeing isn't it."

Is there a name for when someone exhibits in comments a behavior that has already been described by the post? (Besides illiteracy, I mean.)

Anonymous said...

"the abject failure of the Soviet Union to produce anything other than failure-prone nukes, gray concrete, and really cool graphic design"

You're much too charitable. What graphic designs struck you as cool?

Anonymous said...

mds, describing an on-topic elaboration of an argument as a 'behavior' seems like a cheap cop-out. I mean, you COULD actually discuss the issue...? Perhaps IOZ's comments section is a snark-only zone, and anything less is just redundant?