“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.John McCain and Barack Obama sojourned to Rick Warren's saddlebags (wait, what?) to immanatize their respective eschatons, or something. Insofar as Barack Obama is in fact a Christian and John McCain is not, Obama's performance was superior. Insofar as the pseudo-dispensationalist gah-gah pop-culture self-help crypto-cult that is the non-body of the non-demoniational American Evangelical movement has got precious little to do with the moral precepts or doctrinal requirements that one would naturally derive from a so-called literal reading of Scripture, and is instead principally interested in the "womb-tomb" and the kindergarten-style self-affirmation of personal specialness, McCain appears to have taken the day. When asked about America's greatest moral failings, Obama cited Matthew. When asked the same question, McCain said America hasn't always devoted itself to causes greater than it's self-interest, which is, you know, funny, because Washington said that . . . well, anyway. I don't suspect anyone in that auditorium would've cared much for what Washington thought, and surely none of them would vote for him if he were running today. When asked about their relationship with Jay Cee, Obama sliced open a lamb, squeezed its blood into a bucket, and bathed in it right there onstage. McCain said, "I'm saved and forgiven." Next question.
-The Times
The whole spectacle of presidential candidates prostrating themselves before a hocus-pocus divine in order to utter pious non sequiturs is faintly amusing or fairly terrifying, depending on how hard you squint. I have some obvious prejudices here, and though I was never a Catholic, I've always had sympathy for Stephen Dedalus' riposte to friend and rival Cranly, who asks why, if he's lost the faith, he doesn't just become a Protestant:
I said that I had lost the faith, Stephen answered, but not that I had lost self-respect. What kind of liberation would that be to forsake an absurdity which is logical and coherent and to embrace one which is illogical and incoherent?A couple of political office-aspirants discoursing on the existence of evil would be funny were it not so terrifying. McCain averred that we "must defeat it," the "it" being evil, of course. Now consider this in light of the setting. Here is a church that ostensibly affirms the essentially sinful nature of man after the Fall, that believes in the inheritance of Adamic guilt, that believes that each person must be "born again" in order to be eligible for salvation, that believes that Edenic disobedience allowed sin and evil to enter irrevocably into the world, until such time as the sci-fi reentry of the Lord Jesus Christ into this world. So here's McCain disputing one of the basic tenets of Evangelical Protestantism, and it's one of his biggest applause lines, and no one, not even the damned preacher, seems to notice?

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*nods*
Its funny, the dust hasn't settled on this one yet. The "media narrative" of the spectacle may tilt Oblama by week-end, due to encomiums from the cynical elite blogger vanguard, hail IOZ!
I went to Harvard Divinity School, hearing that's where "atheists go to study religion." (I just wanted to get Greek and Latin) Turns out there were many "sincere believers" there, including a lot of Catholic girls because they can't go to their own seminaries. (I admit: Catholics party harder than Protestants.)
Their theology elided hell, forgave sin, and offered basically Spinoza's God. Their inability to see their own hypocracy vis-a-vis scripture or their own previously-expressed "beliefs" was amazing. The only lasting proof of Jesus' divinity was that he predicted all this perfectly (Mark 7:6; Matthew 23:23-24)
By the way, I'm saved AND sanctified.
Their theology elided hell, forgave sin, and offered basically Spinoza's God.
I would call that a tendentious reading of Catholic theology. "Spinoza's God"? A stretch. And obviously I'm no apologist.
If you are sanctified, why are you hangin' 'round these sinful parts? You ain't gonna convince many of us.
Since when don't protestants count as Christians?
...people are hypocrites, etc.... The only lasting proof of Jesus' divinity was that he predicted all this perfectly.
Wow. I guess it doesn't take much to get into that club these day, huh?
Also, Monsieur IOZ, I think the antecedent of "their theology" in that post is "sincere believers" (emphasis on the scare-quotes), not "Catholic girls."
I thought so as well.
Insofar as the pseudo-dispensationalist gah-gah pop-culture self-help crypto-cult that is the non-body of the non-demoniational American Evangelical movement has got precious little to do with the moral precepts or doctrinal requirements that one would naturally derive from a so-called literal reading of Scripture, and is instead principally interested in the "womb-tomb" and the kindergarten-style self-affirmation of personal specialness, McCain appears to have taken the day.
"Demoniational" -- I like that. I think we're all indebted to Ioz Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. I’m particularly glad these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age!
Check out Razib on Theological Incorrectness.
"If you are sanctified, why are you hangin' 'round these sinful parts?" Cuz I just love my sinful parts!
Confession does provide one with a degree of freedom, although it was that Spuds McKenzie look alike, Martin Luther who avowed, "Love God and sin boldly..."
As for the McCain cheating fracas, first, who gives a fuck; second, and more to the point, old military saying, "If you're not cheating, you're not trying."
Spinoza's god is a Catholic god? Really -- because Teilhard de Chardin was sort of tending that way, and the Jesuits basically looked him out for decades. Pantheism is not a Christian in general or Catholic approach. Not that I particularly care about either -- it's hard to profess a form of anti-theism and the objectification of the unknowable as a teenage girl with acne and concerns about whether the universe makes her ass look big and care much about religious doctrine anymore. But, as I recall, the Catholic and more healthy of the Protesant approaches to the world sees god as manifested through nature, not nature as god.
Oh, and I had a very close Catholic friend who got her Doctor of Divinity at Harvard. She also discovered that she was a lesbian, and now runs a rather intriguing although sort of emasculating cult in Landover Maryland called WATER (Women and Theology, Ethics and Relgion.) I suspect she partied too much in Cambridge...
um, not sure i want to follow mr. axe in the commenting dept. (i'm not worthy, etc.).
i was raised Catholic and am also a big fan of the Dedalus.
nice pickup IOZ on the doxological chimera mac created for himself there. how many in the cheap seats - especially the cable nets - caught that, too, i wonder as i wander?
ronald
"Demoniational" is such a fantastically apropos typo-induced neologism. I wish I were that inventive when trying to be.
Since when don't protestants count as Christians?
Ah, that reminds me of an amusing conversation from my school days:
[Some initial confusion over the question "What team do you support?", which in Scotland is code for "What religion are you?"]
HIM: So, are you a Catholic or a Protestant?
ME: Neither, I'm an atheist.
HIM: You must be one or the other. Which is it?
ME: No, really, I'm an atheist. I don't believe in God.
HIM: Oh. So you're a Catholic then?
True story.
I wish I were that inventive when trying to be.
Darling! I just wanna know what drug you were on when you typed it.
“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.
Bloody hell, these people could work "John McCain was a prisoner of war" into a lunch order. He's so reluctant to bring it up, don'tcha know.
Meanwhile, I think the McCain campaign needs to run with their stamp of approval from the bloodthirsty hypocrites of Saddleback. "Evangelicals for McCain: He's Openly Violated More Commandments than Obama." Or perhaps an internet video of McCain violating a copy of the Sermon on the Mount. Modern American fundamentalist Christians really seem to get off on that sort of thing.
dunc, to be fair, i've recently become a celtic fc fan, and as a result, i've been thinking about converting to catholicism. they're cool with agnostics, right?
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